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Artificial Intelligence Law 2020

Speaker(s): Adam Nguyen, Ben Rossen, Carole Piovesan, Cascadia Pemberton, Charles M. Post, Chris Hydak, Deepa A. Kairen, Dennis C. Garcia, Glynna K. Christian, Hon. Katherine B. Forrest (fmr.), Huu Nguyen, Jeffrey L. Turner, Kevin B. Jordan, Marc Canellas, Ming-Yu Kao, Mutisya Ndunda, Niki Athanasiadou, Peter Brown, Van E. Lindberg, Zachary Hecht
Recorded on: Jan. 27, 2020
PLI Program #: 277638

Huu Nguyen is a deal lawyer with a strong technical background. He focuses his practice on commercial and corporate transactions in the technology and venture space, and counsels and assists clients with FinTech transactions, artificial intelligence matters, licensing, outsourcing, complex commercial arrangements, strategic relationships, financial regulatory matters, privacy and security matters, cyber law and intellectual property rights matters. He also helps his clients with accelerator and foundry formations and associated fund formations, mergers and acquisitions, corporate governance, corporate formation and other related matters. He currently serves as Vice-Chair of the Artificial Intelligence and Robotics Committee of the ABA.

Before practicing corporate, commercial and technology law, Huu focused on intellectual property litigation and patent prosecution. Prior to joining Squire Patton Boggs, Huu seconded as an in-house counsel with a global financial services company. Huu was a board member of the Vietnamese-American Bar Association of Washington and has also worked on IP and transactional matters pro bono for nonprofits.



University of California, Berkeley, J.D., 2005

The University of Texas at Austin, M.S., with honors, 1997

The University of Texas at Austin, B.S., with honors, 1992


New York, 2007

Washington, 2005




Katherine B. Forrest is a partner in Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP’s Litigation Department.  She most recently served as a U.S. District Judge for the Southern District of New York and was the former Deputy Assistant Attorney General in the Antitrust Division of the U.S. Department of Justice.  During her tenure on the bench, Ms. Forrest presided over a diverse range of matters.  She has significant experience in complex litigation (including in the areas of antitrust, pharmaceutical, financial services, toxic tort, intellectual property and significant employment matters), as well as criminal matters and investigations. 

Over the course of her career, Ms. Forrest has been regarded as a leader in legal issues relating to technology, including the digital environment, big data and artificial intelligence.  She regularly speaks on these issues and has a forthcoming book entitled When Machines Can be Judge, Jury and Executioner: Artificial Intelligence and the Law.  Ms. Forrest is a regular technology columnist for the New York Law Journal (“NYLJ”), and she recently authored a chapter on emerging issues in copyright law and artificial intelligence in The Law of Artificial Intelligence and Smart Machines.  Last year, she gave the Brace Memorial Lecture on Artificial Intelligence, sponsored by the Copyright Society of the U.S.A., at Fordham Law School.

Ms. Forrest was born in New York, New York.  She received a B.A. with honors from Wesleyan University and a J.D. from NYU School of Law, where she is an Adjunct Professor of Law and co-teaches a course on Quantitative Methods and the Law.  Ms. Forrest first joined Cravath as a summer associate in 1989, became an associate in 1990 and a partner in 1998.  She rejoined Cravath in September 2018.

Peter Brown has focused on technology law matters in national law firms and boutiques for over 25 years. He is currently the principal of Peter Brown & Associates PLLC, a New York boutique law firm concentrating in information technology, intellectual property and arbitration.

“The Best Lawyers in America” ® publication honored him as the “Lawyer of the Year” in Information Technology Law 2018 for New York City.

Mr. Brown has experience in a wide variety of litigations and arbitrations relating to the Internet, information technology and intellectual property. He regularly appears in both federal and state courts throughout the United States. In addition, Mr. Brown has acted as an arbitrator or mediator in over 70 matters involving IT and IP disputes.

Throughout his career he has drafted and negotiated a broad array of agreements relating to the Internet, outsourcing, cloud computing services, application software, Internet apps and e-commerce.  He has prepared these agreements for domestic businesses and international companies.

Mr. Brown co-authored the leading treatises Emerging Technologies and the Law and Computer Law. He also co-authors a monthly column on Information Technology Law for the New York Law Journal.

Mr. Brown is regularly featured as a speaker at the International Technology Law Association, local bar associations and other professional organizations in the US and abroad. He frequently speaks on the topic of artificial intelligence, IT and IP.

The Best Lawyers in America 2019 edition (affiliated with U.S. News & World Report), rated Peter Brown & Associates PLLC a First Tier National Technology Law firm. Chambers USA, New York Metro Superlawyers and other ratings organization have all given Mr. Brown high ratings in the fields of IT and IP. For further information see

Van Lindberg is a Member in Dykema's San Antonio, Texas office who concentrates his practice on intellectual property matters.

Van specializes in the intersection of technology and law, and was in 2012 named one of "America's Top 12 Techiest Attorneys" by the American Bar Association Journal. He is a regular speaker on everything from community dynamics to graph theory, and has testified in Congressional proceedings as an expert on both copyright and encryption policy.

Van has particular expertise in the area of open source, with extensive work addressing the legal, economic, and social aspects of engaging with open source communities. He is the author of the book “Intellectual Property and Open Source” and helps businesses with everything from open source compliance to business strategy.

Outside of open source, Van represents companies in high-stakes IP litigation and inter partes review proceedings before the Patent Trial and Appeal Board. Van has represented companies on Capitol Hill, before Congress, and in industry associations. He has led teams through successful mergers & acquisitions, restructurings, and has organized employee agreements to create greater employee satisfaction and promote higher compliance with internal policies.

Prior to joining Dykema, Van was Vice President and Associate General Counsel for Rackspace, a managed cloud computing company headquartered in San Antonio, where he set the strategy and policy around patent, copyright, trademark, trade secret, and open source matters. He is fluent in Spanish.

Adam Nguyen is a co-founder of eBrevia, a leading enterprise contract analysis software company that applies machine learning to more quickly and accurately extract key information from unstructured data. Adam also founded Ivy Link, an education advisory firm serving families in New York, London and the Middle East. Before Ivy Link, Adam was the Chief-of-Staff and Legal Officer of Vantage Properties, a 350-person real estate investment and management firm. Adam had practiced law at the law firms of Paul, Weiss and Shearman & Sterling, where he focused on private equity, hedge fund formation, and mergers and acquisitions — as well as at AQR Capital Management, a multi-asset investment management firm. He was a law clerk to the Hon. Judge Faith Hochberg, US District Court, NJ. Adam holds a B.A. in Economics and Political Science from Columbia and a J.D. from Harvard Law School.     

As an Assistant General Counsel for Microsoft I practice at the intersection of law, technology and business and lead the legal support function to Microsoft's US Enterprise Commercial Sales team - a team of over 2000 sales professionals that drives Microsoft's largest commercial business with its biggest customers. I also have the privilege in leading a team of 14 outstanding and diverse lawyers and legal professionals who are scattered across the US. Prior to joining Microsoft I worked in various in-house legal roles for IBM and Accenture.

I have over 20 years of legal experience - all in-house with leading Information Technology providers. My primary expertise includes shaping and negotiating a wide range of sophisticated IT contracts with third parties such as Digital Transformation, Cloud Computing, Internet of Things, on-premises licensing, business process outsourcing, consulting services and product support arrangements. In addition, I have substantial expertise in the areas of cybersecurity, privacy, compliance & ethics, intellectual property, dispute resolution, employment law and antitrust law. 

I'm an enthusiastic user of social media and have a passion for improving diversity in the legal profession and leveraging technology to achieve more. I have spoken extensively at legal events/conferences on a variety of topics and I have had numerous articles published by third parties both in print media and online.

Carole’s practice concentrates on privacy, cyber readiness, data governance and artificial intelligence. She regularly counsels clients on a wide range of matters related to privacy, data protection, data governance, ethical AI and risk management for AI use. Prior to founding INQ Data Law, Carole was a lawyer at one of Canada’s most prestigious firms where she served as co-lead of the national Cybersecurity, Privacy and Data Management group.

Carole plays an active role in shaping national data policy and standards. She is the co-chair of the data governance working group for the Data Governance Standardization Collaborative at the Standards Council of Canada. She is a member of the Taskforce on AI for Health at the Canadian Institute for Advanced Research. She is also an advisor to the Law Commission of Ontario’s working group on AI in administrative decisions and the AI Impact Alliance.

In 2018, Carole was appointed by the federal Minister of Innovation to serve as one of six Digital Leaders in the national data and digital transformation consultations. As a Digital Leader, she consulted with various stakeholders across Canada to help inform the federal government’s first national Digital Charter, announced on May 21, 2019.

Carole regularly speaks and writes on topics related to data law and artificial intelligence. She is also co-editing a book on AI and law that will be published by Thomson Reuters in 2020.

Cassie Pemberton is a Senior Attorney at Microsoft Corporation in the North America global sales and marketing group. Her work is focused primarily on Microsoft’s US Commercial Marketing & Operations team and the North America Consumer and Device Sales organization. Cassie provides informed legal support and practical business recommendations to her clients to help them drive revenue and market share growth through key strategic deals, device sales, solutioning, software asset management, and marketing with smart risk taking, appropriate resource allocation, and close partnership with her business clients. Ms. Pemberton has been with Microsoft since October 2015. Before coming to Microsoft, she was a Corporate Communications and Advertising attorney at T-Mobile.

Chris is a privacy attorney in the Privacy and Regulatory Affairs group at Microsoft.  At Microsoft he advises the Cloud & AI and Marketing & Consumer Business teams on a variety of global privacy and data protection issues, including using AI for automated decision-making and the intersection between data subject rights and blackbox AI systems.  Prior to joining Microsoft, Chris spent six years at law firms in New York City advising clients in numerous industries on domestic and international privacy and cybersecurity laws and regulations.  He also spent two years as a privacy and marketing attorney at a financial services company in Texas.  

Deepa Kairen is Assistant General Counsel in the Global Legal, Compliance & Regulatory department at AIG, supporting AIG’s businesses and function areas on legal issues involving innovative technologies, including Internet of Things (IoT), Blockchain/Digital Ledger Transactions, digital/automated insurance processes and other software utilizing Artificial Intelligence/Machine Learning. 

Deepa joined AIG in 2009, and prior to her current role, she provided transactional and regulatory legal support on matters involving third party administrators, automation initiatives, and other insurance legal matters involving claims administration. 

Before her tenure at AIG, Deepa was an Associate at Wilentz, Goldman & Spitzer PA and Wolff & Samson PC handling corporate, commercial real estate and redevelopment transactions. 

She received her Juris Doctor degree from Rutgers School of Law – Newark where she was a Merit Scholarship recipient.  She has a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science and Psychology from Boston College.

Dr. Marc Canellas is a second-year J.D. student at NYU School of Law and a Jacobson Leadership Program in Law and Business Scholar and Cybersecurity Service Scholar. He also serves as the Vice-Chair of IEEE-USA’s AI Policy Committee which, on behalf of over 200,000 engineers and technologists, guides federal advocacy on legislation, rule-making, and agency decision making on anything related to AI. Prior to law school, he served as staffer for Rep. Derek Kilmer (WA-6) and earned his Ph.D. in aerospace in cognitive engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology

Marc’s passion is in public defense and using his technology and policy expertise to support human rights in the face of emerging technologies like predictive policing and face recognition. While in law school, he has interned with the Neighborhood Defender Service of Harlem and the Federal Defenders of New York. He is currently a Research Assistant for NYU Law Professor Ryan Bubb and previously served in the same capacity for NYU Law Professor Tony Thompson.

Prior to law school, Marc was an IEEE/AAAS Congressional Science and Technology Fellow serving in the office of Representative Derek Kilmer (WA-6) where he was responsible for legislation, appropriations, and media for aerospace, cybersecurity, privacy and surveillance, science and technology, AI, and robotics. Prior to serving in Congress, was a PhD aerospace and cognitive engineer and post-doctoral researcher at the Cognitive Engineering Center at the Georgia Institute of Technology.

Marc’s work has been published in technical journals such as IEEE Transactions on Human-Machine Systems and the Journal of Cognitive Engineering and Decision Making; legal, technology, and national security outlets such as Slate, Just Security, IEEE Technology and Society Magazine and WeRobot, and has won awards from the National Science Foundation and the Max Planck Institute for Human Development in Berlin. He has also been an invited panelist, speaker, and moderator for the AFL-CIO Texas Constitutional Convention, All Tech is Human NYC, Penn State’s Center for Security Research and Education, NYU Law & Tech, and NYU Law’s Center on Civil Justice.

Glynna Christian, Co-Head of Orrick’s Global Technology Transactions practice, helps clients navigate complex legal issues and mitigate business risks associated with emerging and transformative technology and data.  She has 25 years' experience advising clients in corporate and commercial deals across virtually all operational and strategic areas of their businesses, including:

  • launching new technology and digital products, including blockchain, autonomous and connected vehicles, wearable devices, data products, payment solutions, mobile app services, Internet security services and Internet registry services;
  • transforming traditional business models and internal service delivery models to digital models relying on cloud, blockchain, data (including Artificial Intelligence) and mobility; and 
  • M&A, financings, public offerings, joint ventures and other strategic transactions.

Glynna also co-leads the firm’s Autonomous and Connected Vehicles working group and also participates in the firm’s AI and blockchain working groups. An active and sought-out thought leader, she regularly speaks with clients and professional organizations on technology and data matters. 

Jeff Turner works with domestic and international clients to advance their business objectives on Capitol Hill and with the Executive Branch. Collaborating with colleagues, he and members of the team help block harmful legislation and regulations and encourage Congress and regulatory agencies to adopt favorable legislation and regulations. He also leads teams that navigate the challenges of congressional investigations.

Jeff focuses his practice on public policy issues related to tax and trade policy issues, sanctions policy, artificial intelligence developments, and a host of other public policy issues. In addition, he advises companies in connection with investments and transactions reviewed by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS). Jeff has led teams on “bet-the-company” projects, including ones in which Congress will have a major role in the outcome.

M. Bob Kao is a Research Associate in Law and Robotics at York Law School, University of York where he conducts research on the regulation and liability of robots, including autonomous vehicles and drones, in the European Union. He is also a PhD candidate at the Centre for Commercial Law Studies, Queen Mary University of London where he focuses on the responses to maritime piracy by the shipping and insurance industries. He has published on maritime piracy in public and private law and cyber security in the insurance industry and has received academic awards from the European chapter of the International Insurance Law Association for his paper on cyber risks in the shipping industry and from Kyushu University for his paper on the regulation of algorithms. Prior to entering academia, Mr. Kao was a public interest attorney in California.

Mutisya has over 15 years of experience in the financial services industry and is responsible for setting the Company’s overall strategy and vision. Mutisya also plays an active role in the development of the company’s machine learning technologies.

Previously, Mutisya was the Head of Strategy & Business Development for Bloomberg’s Enterprise Solutions. Prior to Bloomberg, he was the Head of North America Business Development for SIG.

Mutisya holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Electrical Engineering from Cornell University and a Master’s Degree in Financial Engineering from Cornell University.

Niki Athanasiadou is a New York-based data scientist with experience on the storage and manipulation of sensitive genetic, medical, and survey data, among others. She has a background in research design for causal inference and over 15 years of experience in big data analytics. Niki’s work has received multiple awards and is published in top peer-reviewed journals. She is an experienced international speaker on topics relating to data analysis and has authored several articles on the capabilities and limitations of cutting-edge technologies.

Niki holds a Masters in Research from the University of York (UK) and a PhD in Molecular Biology from the University of Edinburgh (UK).  More recently, she has worked in interdisciplinary research using big data at New York University (NY), and has been a data science fellow at the National Institutes of Health (MD). Currently, Niki is a data scientist with a focus on healthcare at, and the principal data scientist and owner of Common Sense Analytics, LLC.

More detailed information of Niki’s work and research interests can be found at

Zachary is the Policy Director for Tech:NYC, a non-profit coalition of technology companies in New York. Prior to joining Tech:NYC, Zachary served as the Policy Director to New York City Council Member Ritchie Torres, who chaired the Council’s Oversight and Investigations Unit.

Previously, he also served as the Legislative and Budget Director to Council Member James Vacca, the chair of the Council’s Technology Committee, playing a key role in the formulation and passage of New York City’s first-in-the-nation algorithmic accountability legislation.

Zachary holds a BA in Political Science from Johns Hopkins University and a MSc in Digital Anthropology from University College London. At UCL he examined the ways emergent digital technologies impact everyday life and did fieldwork with a community of vegan activists based in London, analyzing the ways they deployed technological tools.

Charles Post, Head of US Consulting Services - Delivery & Sales, Global Partnership Lead-    JDX Consulting

Charles has a decade of deep financial services experience and a proven track record in executing ambitious digitisation programs. He specialises in emerging technologies such as artificial intelligence, blockchain, smart contracts and robotics process automation, focusing on the complex interplay of regulation, innovation and emerging technology. 

He recently joined JDX Consulting in New York as ‘Head of Consulting Services – Delivery & Sales’ where he will focus on solutions for front-to-back processing and automation, in addition to overseeing U.S. business development. Charles will be championing the benefits of digitisation of contract management in business, through documentation digitisation and contract analytics tools. He previously worked for BNY Mellon as Managing Council, advising the firm on business and product development for FinTech, digitisation, innovation, data, artificial intelligence and blockchain.

Charles is widely recognised as an industry leader and is a frequent speaker, moderator and author for a host of financial services industry forums and publications and recently co-founded and launched the Risk Management Association’s “Financial Technology and Automation Committee”.

Ben Rossen is a senior attorney in the FTC’s Division of Privacy and Identity Protection, where he represents the Commission in consumer protection matters concerning privacy, data security, and the Internet of Things.  Mr. Rossen also advises on a variety of educational and policy initiatives at the Commission, with a special focus on developing consumer and business guidance on ransomware.  Mr. Rossen regularly speaks about the Commission’s privacy and data security efforts at a wide variety of industry conferences and other events.   Previously, Mr. Rossen practiced at Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler and at Cravath, Swaine & Moore. He clerked for the Hon. Carol Bagley Amon in the Eastern District of New York and is a graduate of Harvard Law School.

Kevin Jordan is Vice President and Assistant General Counsel of the Intellectual Property Group in the Corporate & Regulatory Law division of JPMorgan Chase & Co.  As Assistant General Counsel, Mr. Jordan is responsible for leading the firm’s efforts to protect its intellectual assets through a combined mechanism of enforcement, advisement and defense.  Mr. Jordan regularly counsels clients on a wide array of matters including intellectual property litigation, domain management, use of third party IP, regulatory issues involving IP, trade secrets, M&A due diligence and varied transactional needs.  

Prior to joining JPMorgan Chase, Mr. Jordan practiced as an associate at the law firm of Kenyon & Kenyon LLP in New York, where he advised clients on patent litigation, opinion work and e-discovery matters.  

Prior to practicing law, Mr. Jordan worked as a data scientist in the consumer packaged goods industry using advanced database techniques to target consumers for domestic and international marketing campaigns.  

Mr. Jordan is a graduate of the University of Michigan’s College of Engineering with a B.S.E in Industrial & Operations Engineering, and earned his J.D. at the American University – Washington College of Law in the nation’s capital.